Most people will opt for the audio muting option because they either can't be bothered to use the audio swap tool or don't know how to use it effectively.
I think a better option would be if a video gets flagged for copyrighted music suspend the video and advise the user to put a link on where to purchase the song in the video description, or enforce a pop-up ad for the song.
People don't use youtube to avoid buying music. If people hear a song they like in a video they usually ask what the song is or who the artist is.
Can't the music industry see that this is an opportunity for free advertisement for their music, not a form of piracy?
the reason audio swap isnt used is that its not the audio we want on that videoit wouldnt have the same effect the taking down of videos is stupid. record companies have beed making millions for over 30 years, but i notice its not all music thats stopped. or the peorn or the racists or the spam or the rubbish its always the good songs if all copy right was taken off the tube there wouldnt be a youtube. what i want is a youtube email that i can write to and tell them some thing you would think for a big company as this that if they can spend so much time evaluating video content that they would have some where you can send a email and get a response, .......thats called customer services.
Music if used should fit with the images on screen the music on audio swop is not known and i see no button to listen. the record companies should allow free use on videos on you tube as fair use we dont profit from posting. you tube should argue for this against the RIAA and others a little user support not user bashing goes a long way.
The Audio Swap tool isn't very accessible and the selection of songs on there are not very good. There also needs to be a preview option to preview the song without having to select a video to preview it with.
Me and other users like me create videos which rely heavily on music tracks; they're not just for background entertainment... I believe "AMV" makers are suffering the most from this Record Company pull, and the most popular user joined the suspended accounts today because of the tracks she used. I hope an authoritative member of the YT board of directors reads these reponses, and SteveBeck's fantastic alternatives before it's too late and entire groups of video makers relocate to other video sites (AMV makers have already begun this process.) =[
I don't think the above commenters are being very honest, or proportionate to the huge amount of Youtube users. I for one will play a song on Youtube on repeat all day rather than fork out 80pence to purchase it on iTunes. I don't think I'm the only one.
Okay, firstly in response to xSynapse's comment, I think you are strange. If I like a song, I find the artist and buy the album. I'm not so cheap that I have to play it over and again on YouTube, where the quality of the audio is never any good.
This copyright business really annoys me. I mean, it's not as if the people who post these videos are saying they own the rights to the song, film clip e.t.c in fact most of them go out of thier way to make sure credit goes where its due. All they uploaded it for was so that people can enjoy some really good music. So WHAT ON THE HEAVENS AND EARTH is going on?
I can't find the 'additional choice' mentioned in the blog. Where is it hidden? "Instead of automatically removing the video from YouTube, we give users the option to modify the video by removing the music subject to the copyright claim and post the new version"
Where's the option to post a new version. I made a video with a song in the background early on in my YT career and it has been "found out". It's had of 65,000 views so I'd love to keep it however it is useless without the audio as it has cut out me talking. I'd love to be able to replace the audio.
I fear that "we give users the option .to modify the video by removing the music subject to the copyright claim and post the new version" is no more than 1) Take down muted video (lose comments, faves, stats etc 2) Upload new one :-)
Copyright Law and licensed rights: ----------------------------------- At the risk of becoming massively hated... I'm affraid that for the most part, I have to agree with the move to enforcing copyright protection. Since a lot of the 'youtube generation' seem to think that they have the right to do what the hell they want... not only with regards to posting 'hate' comments but also with anyone's work. Something needed to be done.
It's not just a matter of making profit from using professional-copyrighted material, it's about the LAW and RIGHTS of the original composer/creator or distributors. We all know that the big companies make a hell of a lot of money from released songs, that's because it's a business. A band is a business. Simple rule of business is: If it doesn't make enough money, then it ceases to function as a viable business, therefore it stops. When anyone can listen to (or download) a song (or see a movie) online for free the MAJORITY of people will not go out and buy that content.
If you're willing to ignore the fact that companies forewarn you, well in advance, about the copyright laws and restrictions of how you may use their music/films or other content.. then expect to pay the price for it and don't sit there moaning & claiming 'Fair use' without actually knowing what fair use is.
BTW, the 'Fair use' argument will only (to my knowledge) ever be granted in your favour legally through a court of law, should they decide that your argument is worthy. Either that or if the company itself decide that your argument for fair use is a good one (highly unlikely for the sort of stuff most music on here's used in). So if you seriously think that your vid's usage of copyrighted material is fair use, take it to court! If you're not sure and can't be bothered (or afford) to get the correct licensing rights, then go and use some of the thousands of royalty free music tracks out there, just waiting to be used (especially for non-profit projects). Failing that, befriend someone who's an upcoming musician and work with them to get the kind of music you want for your vid (there's plenty of them out there too).
AS FOR YOUTUBE: I hope for their own sakes that this is going to be a complete 'Blanket' rule. For instance: Some of the tubes sponsors 'appear' to be ignoring these laws themselve's e.g. FrijjFourRidges to name one. Frijj, not so long ago, held a competition to allow tuber's to upload their ideas for Frijj adverts. To my knowledge they didn't seem to mention ANYTHING about not using copyrighted material's in their submissions. As a result some of submitted entries (even the winning entry) actually had copyrighted music tracks within them. I did actually make a comment about hoping that the Frijj company were going to pay all the necessary licensing rights to the respective copyright/license holders. The Frijj company are supposed to be a professional law abiding business. They used this competion as a 'cheap' advertising campaign to get potentially global coverage for whatever fees they may have paid You tube. I think that they should also fully adhere to these regulations and also be made to pay the licensing fees of all the respective entries that they chose to post onto their page (http://uk.youtube.com/user/FrijjFourRidges)
If you tube is going to enforce this, then it's fair enough to say that they MUST enforce it on everybody not just those who are individuals trying to make enteratining content. They shouldn't be 'Brown nosing' and allowing some people to not be affected by it just because they are sponsors, turning a blind eye because they may be making some money from those user's. Of course for us ordinary people, how are we going to know that the sponsors have not been 'let off'?
EXEMPTIONS: I think that certain exemptions should be made for things like film/game reviewers etc. However, I still think that reviewers should still have to email the necessary companies in order to get clearances to use any film/game content and those companies SHOULD HAVE TO allow the use of some of the content (even if they specify what scenes are the only ones allowed to be used etc.)
That way places like Viacom can stop getting their panties in a twist about people using some of their content for the purpose of reviewing. Because they SHOULD have a standard set of 'free to use for review purposes' content. Being able to use the content only for the allowed/agreed purposes.
As the net is still a pretty 'new' technology it's still settling down. What a lot of people seem to ignore is the fact that the net is a part of the real world, which has rules, regulations and laws. Admittedly, real world laws are still lagging behind somewhat but they are fast catching up. That said, copyright laws etc. have pretty much always covered themselves with regards to reproduction and distribution of content in any medium.
The 'bottom-line' here really is that IGNORANCE is not and never has been a viable defence. Just because you haven't bothered to read or heed the warnings, it doesn't make you immune to the consequences.
A simple analogy of the above 'bottom-line' statement is: Just because you don't realise that sparkly candle thing you've just lit is actually a stick of dynamite... doesn't mean you're not in the Sh*t ;)
Wow, that's a lot of writing... but then you didn't have to read it all, did you? :P
Sorry one last bit... The audio swap thing does look fairly good but what YT seem to be lacking in here is the ability to OVERLAY the soundtrack onto the vid at any given point (it's just from the start til it finishes) and giving some editable flexability with regards to being able to cut the song down to fit (a certain scene)and also alter the volume. What they need is this pre-exsisting system but modified to be more like their subtitling and caption thing. Not erradicating the original audio but being placed at chosen points on another layer to the exsiting audio (as Steve Beck said also, you could then have a little caption of track artist and title pop up whilst it's playing). Once YT figure this out, more people will start to use this new thing. The more people use it, the more artists will want to be included (The Creed have quite a lot on there already). Good initial idea YT just do a lil bit of tweeking asap and you'll have it sorted!;)
I agree with this to a point, Artists need to be rewarded for their talents. I do feel however that music and films are far too expensive and we the public are being ripped off. Most of the money that we pay for DVD's and CD's doesn't actually go to the original artist anyway. Something has to be done to protect talented artists, they enhance society but equally, the public need protection from the Multitude of middle men that muscle in on the artists and their appreciative public. It's a bit like taxes, if Govt didn't Tax so much, people would be less likely to try avoiding paying them since it wouldn;t be worth the effort, similarly with music, film, if they were more reasonably priced, copyright infringement would not be worth the effort.
I find that some artists, particularly from older bands, are very keen indeed for their tracks to be used, as it gives them publicity and goes to places that they may not previously have been heard. I always check to see if a band minds my using their stuff before uploading and usually get a nod & a wink from them. Some are MySpace friends too.
It used to be fun to use YouTube, but with the ever increasing restrictions on its use it may become more fun to use another video-sharing site soon. More and more are appearing every day, without these restrictions, a lot of which seem to be bowing to the Politically-correct brigade. Do what they deem non-PC., and watch your video get flagged.
With regards to the users who say they don't pay for music because they can listen to it on youtube, well I doubt they would pay for it anyway if they are content with the very poor quality that music on youtube provides.
Music videos on youtube are basically either advertisements for the artists (directly or indirectly), which is obviously a win-win situation or the tracks are rare and unavailable (hence no-one loses out as there is no money to be made).
I just hope the record companies finally realise that unless they ease up on the public, their businesses will die sooner than they are already.
We're never going to go back to the golden days of 1960's/1970's vinyl sales or 1980's/1990's cd sales. Evolve or lose your business. Just don't expect to live a life of luxury QUITE like you've got accustomed to...
It seems that the recent claims are from Warner because YouTube failed to reach agreement with them for royalty payments.
Whether this is Warner being greedy or YouTube being tight is open to question.
As a DJ myself, when we play music in a venue, it is the venue that holds the PPL license and pays the fees to cover copyright/royalties. Therefore when we upload a video to YouTube, YouTube is 'the venue' for the performance - they are hosting it, so it seems reasonable that they pay for any required license fees.
Have Loved YouTube up to this point, and don't begrudge record labels, or artists (especially) getting paid. I own much of the music I search out here in one form or another. Seems like a workable solution to keep everybody happy has not been reached, and that maybe YouTube's time will be passing soon, and maybe it's time to start feeling around for a new video channel. Just my 2 cents.
videos are still automatically taken down without any choice of `Music Swap`... It appears that WMG are directing this action !! I, have just deleted 20 plus videos that i considered maybe a possible copyright issue.. Methinks its an all lose situation with YTube viewers, Copyright owners and Youtube/Google owners...Times change and in 3 yrs on YTube i`ve seen so much change, good and bad.
This is completely ridiculous!And I'm not necessarily blaming Youtube,its the "law" thats out of hand.I'm not claiming the music to be mine..AT ALL!..The whole reason for music is because it puts the emotion behind the image or video footage.3 of my videos had to be deleted and considering they are all successful videos withs thousands and thousands of views I was not happy.I'm considering deleting my Youtube account because this is bull!
I do wonder how far these copyright issues are spreading. If someone just uploads a tune with it's video then I don't think there can be much of an argument, I think the record companies should be uploading that themselves. If it's an unrelated video with a song in the background, I can see why they could be a little disgruntled, but as long as the artist and record companies are credited, with a link to buy the songs provided and recommended, then I can't see it being a problem. If it's a cover of a song by a fan, then that's where I find it to be wrong, as long as the original artist isn't slagged off in the process in the description or the video comments. I can't see what is wrong with someone wishing to show their appreciation for a particular artist as long as they aren't making any money in the process. The record companies need to protect their interests and make money, but they're also phenominally greedy.
Well Warner Music Group is ticking us off and they haved removed videos from their channels. Google, you need to sort this out. WMG is starting to mute peoples' videos which have WMG's copyright or BG music such as Val Halen, AC/DC, Linkin Park etc. and also pull down music videos. And yes. WMG is destroying YouTube and their stock is going down since they force to pay for their music. Why can't we have their music in our videos. It's fair use, it's free promotion and it's also advertising the music. So what was WMG thinking? Think about it. Everyone on YouTube hates WMG because of their harsh copyright infrigement. Heck, they even own Winter Wonderland and Happy Brithday. You need to have a word with the CEO at WMG on what he has done to us. Please. It's YouTube for christ sake NOT THEIRTUBE! We can post we the heck we want. what we want!
Twice I've had pm's from other users asking about the music in my video and just last week, I received a reply from one telling me they went out and bought the album and can't stop listening to it - I have the message as proof! We are actually promoting these peoples work and in this case having them profit from that! How can that be a bad thing? I didn't and don't ever intend to, make a penny from this so how can it be called 'copyright theft'? I haven't stolen anything! When will these greed-mongers realise they can make a killing from this free advertising and promoting?
Hey i just realised a vid of mine has been muted and another taken of world wide viewing. The clowns of wmg need there heads sortin out its seriously not fair to us youtubers, who bring entertainment to others while promoting there bands and there songs wmg sucks !!!!!!!
Man... Your AudioSwap doesn't even have songs like Numb, Toxic, Money Honey, etc. And if people have made a music video of a certain song, like me, how the hell can we change the song... All our hard work gone man...
Record labels are always complaining that they are losing money because no one's buying the full CDs. Yet they will terminate your entire website because of one song used in a video. Don't they realize that this is GOOD ADVERTISEMENT for their product. I've had many people message me as to WHO IS THE ARTIST DOING THE SINGING. I try to post Classic Rock music 'cause that's my Generation and this Generation doesn't even know what Great Rock Music is, that's why they want to know who the Band/Singer is. This will generate this Generation of kids to want to go to the store to purchase the music of this Band or Singer. That surely would put money in the Record Label's pockets. It's usely the Record Labels and not the Band/Singer that files the complaint. I've had 2 websites here totally terminated over 1 song yet can someone tell me how Terrorists are allowed to post their Fanatical videos here; Rappers with filthy, obscene lyrics and let's not forget the toddlers given WEED to smoke or the teenage girl bangers? How are they allowed to keep their videos here where it eventually makes the Headline News because of all the hits. Yet you post 1 damn song that some Record Label complains about and your whole Music Video website is terminated. Oh, also they don't let you know 'til AFTER THEY DELETE EVERYTHING ON YOUR WEBSITE.
The Record Labels have really sabotaged themselves ever since the iPod and iTunes was developed. Fans don't have to buy the whole damn CD for 1 song, all they have to do is pay .99 for it. So to delete a YouTubers entire website all because of one song and cry "copyright infringe-ment" 'cause they are losing money, is purely ridiculous. I found videos on 5 other YouTubers websites that I wanted the videos reposted on my website. My viewers would never look for these artists but they would watch the videos being that they're on my website. I got 5 permission via the YouTube message Inbox that it was okay to post their videos on my website. I did just that and was so happy that my friends would be introduced to these Artists. Hello! My website was TERMINATED 'CAUSE OF A COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT COMPLAINT ABOUT ONE OF THE 5 VIDEOS. They didn't even allow me to send them the written permissions to post the video(s) on my website. They sent me an email AFTER EVERYTHING WAS DELETED and gave me a link to fill out a "boilerplate" form. Now why would I even do that when THEY ALREADY DELETED MY WHOLE WEBSITE FIRST.
I finally got fed up with YouTube and had been using Google but Google is not in the business of "uploading videos" anymore and I need the Embed Codes for my MySpace website. Also, I've had a website on Google since 2006 and it will allow all of your videos to stay there but you just can't upload any more videos. I've recently had 2 of my videos that have been on Google since 2007, named as being "copyright infringement" and I had to delete them. Why did it take 2 years for the videos to now be considered as violating "copyright infringement laws"?
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Most people will opt for the audio muting option because they either can't be bothered to use the audio swap tool or don't know how to use it effectively.
ReplyDeleteI think a better option would be if a video gets flagged for copyrighted music suspend the video and advise the user to put a link on where to purchase the song in the video description, or enforce a pop-up ad for the song.
People don't use youtube to avoid buying music. If people hear a song they like in a video they usually ask what the song is or who the artist is.
Can't the music industry see that this is an opportunity for free advertisement for their music, not a form of piracy?
go stevebeck!!
ReplyDeleteto be frank..the guys right.
i dont go on there to be a rebal all like ooh look at me im listening to a song i havent paid for
if i like a song.. ill take a listen..
then buy the album later (Y)
x
the reason audio swap isnt used is that its not the audio we want on that videoit wouldnt have the same effect the taking down of videos is stupid.
ReplyDeleterecord companies have beed making millions for over 30 years, but i notice its not all music thats stopped.
or the peorn or the racists or the spam or the rubbish its always the good songs
if all copy right was taken off the tube there wouldnt be a youtube.
what i want is a youtube email that i can write to and tell them some thing
you would think for a big company as this that if they can spend so much time evaluating video content that they would have some where you can send a email and get a response, .......thats called customer services.
that sounds like a really good idea
ReplyDeleteI have got two videos without audio now and i can't find anything else to put on the video so it gets a bit boring without any good audio.
ReplyDeleteMusic if used should fit with the images on screen the music on audio swop is not known and i see no button to listen. the record companies should allow free use on videos on you tube as fair use we dont profit from posting. you tube should argue for this against the RIAA and others a little user support not user bashing goes a long way.
ReplyDeleteThe Audio Swap tool isn't very accessible and the selection of songs on there are not very good. There also needs to be a preview option to preview the song without having to select a video to preview it with.
ReplyDeleteMe and other users like me create videos which rely heavily on music tracks; they're not just for background entertainment...
ReplyDeleteI believe "AMV" makers are suffering the most from this Record Company pull, and the most popular user joined the suspended accounts today because of the tracks she used.
I hope an authoritative member of the YT board of directors reads these reponses, and SteveBeck's fantastic alternatives before it's too late and entire groups of video makers relocate to other video sites (AMV makers have already begun this process.) =[
There's also the issue of programs that make the downloading of music directly from Youtube possible.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the above commenters are being very honest, or proportionate to the huge amount of Youtube users. I for one will play a song on Youtube on repeat all day rather than fork out 80pence to purchase it on iTunes. I don't think I'm the only one.
ReplyDeleteOkay, firstly in response to xSynapse's comment, I think you are strange. If I like a song, I find the artist and buy the album. I'm not so cheap that I have to play it over and again on YouTube, where the quality of the audio is never any good.
ReplyDeleteThis copyright business really annoys me. I mean, it's not as if the people who post these videos are saying they own the rights to the song, film clip e.t.c in fact most of them go out of thier way to make sure credit goes where its due. All they uploaded it for was so that people can enjoy some really good music. So WHAT ON THE HEAVENS AND EARTH is going on?
I can't find the 'additional choice' mentioned in the blog. Where is it hidden? "Instead of automatically removing the video from YouTube, we give users the option to modify the video by removing the music subject to the copyright claim and post the new version"
ReplyDeleteWhere's the option to post a new version. I made a video with a song in the background early on in my YT career and it has been "found out". It's had of 65,000 views so I'd love to keep it however it is useless without the audio as it has cut out me talking. I'd love to be able to replace the audio.
ReplyDelete3-things
ReplyDelete1- this is stupid, it called fair useage
2-why pay for i-tunes when there are multiple easy FREE ways to get FREE music from youtube
3- F.A.C.T.
(federation against copyright theft)
actually stands for:
Fascist Alliance of Cock-sucking Twats
I fear that "we give users the option .to modify the video by removing the music subject to the copyright claim and post the new version" is no more than
ReplyDelete1) Take down muted video (lose comments, faves, stats etc
2) Upload new one
:-)
what happened to my video "DOA2U: Sexy Girls".
ReplyDeleteI keep getting the Spam links from those bots, I keep removing their comments.
Each time I visit the video page to remove the comments, I found out that the video's watch count and ratings are the same.
It's like you made the video invisible to users:/
There is no nude in the video, and making that video did take up my time.
Copyright Law and licensed rights:
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At the risk of becoming massively hated... I'm affraid that for the most part, I have to agree with the move to enforcing copyright protection.
Since a lot of the 'youtube generation' seem to think that they have the right to do what the hell they want... not only with regards to posting 'hate' comments but also with anyone's work. Something needed to be done.
It's not just a matter of making profit from using professional-copyrighted material, it's about the LAW and RIGHTS of the original composer/creator or distributors. We all know that the big companies make a hell of a lot of money from released songs, that's because it's a business. A band is a business. Simple rule of business is: If it doesn't make enough money, then it ceases to function as a viable business, therefore it stops.
When anyone can listen to (or download) a song (or see a movie) online for free the MAJORITY of people will not go out and buy that content.
If you're willing to ignore the fact that companies forewarn you, well in advance, about the copyright laws and restrictions of how you may use their music/films or other content.. then expect to pay the price for it and don't sit there moaning & claiming 'Fair use' without actually knowing what fair use is.
ReplyDeleteBTW, the 'Fair use' argument will only (to my knowledge) ever be granted in your favour legally through a court of law, should they decide that your argument is worthy. Either that or if the company itself decide that your argument for fair use is a good one (highly unlikely for the sort of stuff most music on here's used in).
So if you seriously think that your vid's usage of copyrighted material is fair use, take it to court! If you're not sure and can't be bothered (or afford) to get the correct licensing rights, then go and use some of the thousands of royalty free music tracks out there, just waiting to be used (especially for non-profit projects). Failing that, befriend someone who's an upcoming musician and work with them to get the kind of music you want for your vid (there's plenty of them out there too).
AS FOR YOUTUBE: I hope for their own sakes that this is going to be a complete 'Blanket' rule. For instance: Some of the tubes sponsors 'appear' to be ignoring these laws themselve's e.g. FrijjFourRidges to name one. Frijj, not so long ago, held a competition to allow tuber's to upload their ideas for Frijj adverts. To my knowledge they didn't seem to mention ANYTHING about not using copyrighted material's in their submissions. As a result some of submitted entries (even the winning entry) actually had copyrighted music tracks within them. I did actually make a comment about hoping that the Frijj company were going to pay all the necessary licensing rights to the respective copyright/license holders.
ReplyDeleteThe Frijj company are supposed to be a professional law abiding business. They used this competion as a 'cheap' advertising campaign to get potentially global coverage for whatever fees they may have paid You tube. I think that they should also fully adhere to these regulations and also be made to pay the licensing fees of all the respective entries that they chose to post onto their page (http://uk.youtube.com/user/FrijjFourRidges)
If you tube is going to enforce this, then it's fair enough to say that they MUST enforce it on everybody not just those who are individuals trying to make enteratining content. They shouldn't be 'Brown nosing' and allowing some people to not be affected by it just because they are sponsors, turning a blind eye because they may be making some money from those user's.
ReplyDeleteOf course for us ordinary people, how are we going to know that the sponsors have not been 'let off'?
EXEMPTIONS: I think that certain exemptions should be made for things like film/game reviewers etc.
However, I still think that reviewers should still have to email the necessary companies in order to get clearances to use any film/game content and those companies SHOULD HAVE TO allow the use of some of the content (even if they specify what scenes are the only ones allowed to be used etc.)
That way places like Viacom can stop getting their panties in a twist about people using some of their content for the purpose of reviewing. Because they SHOULD have a standard set of 'free to use for review purposes' content. Being able to use the content only for the allowed/agreed purposes.
As the net is still a pretty 'new' technology it's still settling down. What a lot of people seem to ignore is the fact that the net is a part of the real world, which has rules, regulations and laws. Admittedly, real world laws are still lagging behind somewhat but they are fast catching up. That said, copyright laws etc. have pretty much always covered themselves with regards to reproduction and distribution of content in any medium.
ReplyDeleteThe 'bottom-line' here really is that IGNORANCE is not and never has been a viable defence. Just because you haven't bothered to read or heed the warnings, it doesn't make you immune to the consequences.
A simple analogy of the above 'bottom-line' statement is:
Just because you don't realise that sparkly candle thing you've just lit is actually a stick of dynamite... doesn't mean you're not in the Sh*t ;)
Wow, that's a lot of writing... but then you didn't have to read it all, did you? :P
Peace People!
Sorry one last bit... The audio swap thing does look fairly good but what YT seem to be lacking in here is the ability to OVERLAY the soundtrack onto the vid at any given point (it's just from the start til it finishes) and giving some editable flexability with regards to being able to cut the song down to fit (a certain scene)and also alter the volume. What they need is this pre-exsisting system but modified to be more like their subtitling and caption thing. Not erradicating the original audio but being placed at chosen points on another layer to the exsiting audio (as Steve Beck said also, you could then have a little caption of track artist and title pop up whilst it's playing). Once YT figure this out, more people will start to use this new thing. The more people use it, the more artists will want to be included (The Creed have quite a lot on there already). Good initial idea YT just do a lil bit of tweeking asap and you'll have it sorted!;)
ReplyDeleteThat's all fair enough, but when the sound disappears on these videos it pretty much destroys them.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this to a point, Artists need to be rewarded for their talents.
ReplyDeleteI do feel however that music and films are far too expensive and we the public are being ripped off.
Most of the money that we pay for DVD's and CD's doesn't actually go to the original artist anyway.
Something has to be done to protect talented artists, they enhance society but equally, the public need protection from the Multitude of middle men that muscle in on the artists and their appreciative public.
It's a bit like taxes, if Govt didn't Tax so much, people would be less likely to try avoiding paying them since it wouldn;t be worth the effort, similarly with music, film, if they were more reasonably priced, copyright infringement would not be worth the effort.
I find that some artists, particularly from older bands, are very keen indeed for their tracks to be used, as it gives them publicity and goes to places that they may not previously have been heard. I always check to see if a band minds my using their stuff before uploading and usually get a nod & a wink from them. Some are MySpace friends too.
ReplyDeleteOk, fair enough, we don't have the right to use the music, but we should get a better choice of audio to go over the top of it (or our own)
ReplyDeleteAnd to the big businesses, free advertising!!
It used to be fun to use YouTube, but with the ever increasing restrictions on its use it may become more fun to use another video-sharing site soon. More and more are appearing every day, without these restrictions, a lot of which seem to be bowing to the Politically-correct brigade. Do what they deem non-PC., and watch your video get flagged.
ReplyDeleteWith regards to the users who say they don't pay for music because they can listen to it on youtube, well I doubt they would pay for it anyway if they are content with the very poor quality that music on youtube provides.
ReplyDeleteMusic videos on youtube are basically either advertisements for the artists (directly or indirectly), which is obviously a win-win situation or the tracks are rare and unavailable (hence no-one loses out as there is no money to be made).
I just hope the record companies finally realise that unless they ease up on the public, their businesses will die sooner than they are already.
We're never going to go back to the golden days of 1960's/1970's vinyl sales or 1980's/1990's cd sales. Evolve or lose your business. Just don't expect to live a life of luxury QUITE like you've got accustomed to...
I'm out of here
ReplyDeleteIt seems that the recent claims are from Warner because YouTube failed to reach agreement with them for royalty payments.
ReplyDeleteWhether this is Warner being greedy or YouTube being tight is open to question.
As a DJ myself, when we play music in a venue, it is the venue that holds the PPL license and pays the fees to cover copyright/royalties. Therefore when we upload a video to YouTube, YouTube is 'the venue' for the performance - they are hosting it, so it seems reasonable that they pay for any required license fees.
Have Loved YouTube up to this point, and don't begrudge record labels, or artists (especially) getting paid. I own much of the music I search out here in one form or another. Seems like a workable solution to keep everybody happy has not been reached, and that maybe YouTube's time will be passing soon, and maybe it's time to start feeling around for a new video channel. Just my 2 cents.
ReplyDeletevideos are still automatically taken down without any choice of `Music Swap`... It appears that WMG are directing this action !! I, have just deleted 20 plus videos that i considered maybe a possible copyright issue.. Methinks its an all lose situation with YTube viewers, Copyright owners and Youtube/Google owners...Times change and in 3 yrs on YTube i`ve seen so much change, good and bad.
ReplyDeleteThis is completely ridiculous!And I'm not necessarily blaming Youtube,its the "law" thats out of hand.I'm not claiming the music to be mine..AT ALL!..The whole reason for music is because it puts the emotion behind the image or video footage.3 of my videos had to be deleted and considering they are all successful videos withs thousands and thousands of views I was not happy.I'm considering deleting my Youtube account because this is bull!
ReplyDeleteI do wonder how far these copyright issues are spreading. If someone just uploads a tune with it's video then I don't think there can be much of an argument, I think the record companies should be uploading that themselves. If it's an unrelated video with a song in the background, I can see why they could be a little disgruntled, but as long as the artist and record companies are credited, with a link to buy the songs provided and recommended, then I can't see it being a problem. If it's a cover of a song by a fan, then that's where I find it to be wrong, as long as the original artist isn't slagged off in the process in the description or the video comments. I can't see what is wrong with someone wishing to show their appreciation for a particular artist as long as they aren't making any money in the process. The record companies need to protect their interests and make money, but they're also phenominally greedy.
ReplyDeleteWell Warner Music Group is ticking us off and they haved removed videos from their channels. Google, you need to sort this out. WMG is starting to mute peoples' videos which have WMG's copyright or BG music such as Val Halen, AC/DC, Linkin Park etc. and also pull down music videos. And yes. WMG is destroying YouTube and their stock is going down since they force to pay for their music. Why can't we have their music in our videos. It's fair use, it's free promotion and it's also advertising the music. So what was WMG thinking? Think about it. Everyone on YouTube hates WMG because of their harsh copyright infrigement. Heck, they even own Winter Wonderland and Happy Brithday. You need to have a word with the CEO at WMG on what he has done to us. Please. It's YouTube for christ sake NOT THEIRTUBE! We can post we the heck we want. what we want!
ReplyDeletehow can you gain the right to use companys such as warner music groups content?
ReplyDeleteTwice I've had pm's from other users asking about the music in my video and just last week, I received a reply from one telling me they went out and bought the album and can't stop listening to it - I have the message as proof! We are actually promoting these peoples work and in this case having them profit from that! How can that be a bad thing? I didn't and don't ever intend to, make a penny from this so how can it be called 'copyright theft'? I haven't stolen anything! When will these greed-mongers realise they can make a killing from this free advertising and promoting?
ReplyDeleteHey i just realised a vid of mine has been muted and another taken of world wide viewing. The clowns of wmg need there heads sortin out its seriously not fair to us youtubers, who bring entertainment to others while promoting there bands and there songs wmg sucks !!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteMan... Your AudioSwap doesn't even have songs like Numb, Toxic, Money Honey, etc.
ReplyDeleteAnd if people have made a music video of a certain song, like me, how the hell can we change the song... All our hard work gone man...
wait.. ya .....GOD THERE IS NO STABBING WESTWARD OMG YYYYY THIS VID TOOK MONTHS TO MAKE AND NOW ITS RUINED
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ReplyDeleteRecord labels are always complaining that they are losing money because no one's buying the full CDs. Yet they will terminate your entire website because of one song used in a video. Don't they realize that this is GOOD ADVERTISEMENT for their product. I've had many people message me as to WHO IS THE ARTIST DOING THE SINGING. I try to post Classic Rock music 'cause that's my Generation and this Generation doesn't even know what Great Rock Music is, that's why they want to know who the Band/Singer is. This will generate this Generation of kids to want to go to the store to purchase the music of this Band or Singer. That surely would put money in the Record Label's pockets. It's usely the Record Labels and not the Band/Singer that files the complaint. I've had 2 websites here totally terminated over 1 song yet can someone tell me how Terrorists are allowed to post their Fanatical videos here; Rappers with filthy, obscene lyrics and let's not forget the toddlers given WEED to smoke or the teenage girl bangers? How are they allowed to keep their videos here where it eventually makes the Headline News because of all the hits. Yet you post 1 damn song that some Record Label complains about and your whole Music Video website is terminated. Oh, also they don't let you know 'til AFTER THEY DELETE EVERYTHING ON YOUR WEBSITE.
ReplyDeleteThe Record Labels have really sabotaged themselves ever since the iPod and iTunes was developed. Fans don't have to buy the whole damn CD for 1 song, all they have to do is pay .99 for it. So to delete a YouTubers entire website all because of one song and cry "copyright infringe-ment" 'cause they are losing money, is purely ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteI found videos on 5 other YouTubers websites that I wanted the videos reposted on my website. My viewers would never look for these artists but they would watch the videos being that they're on my website. I got 5 permission via the YouTube message Inbox that it was okay to post their videos on my website. I did just that and was so happy that my friends would be introduced to these Artists. Hello! My website was TERMINATED 'CAUSE OF A COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT COMPLAINT ABOUT ONE OF THE 5 VIDEOS. They didn't even allow me to send them the written permissions to post the video(s) on my website. They sent me an email AFTER EVERYTHING WAS DELETED and gave me a link to fill out a "boilerplate" form. Now why would I even do that when THEY ALREADY DELETED MY WHOLE WEBSITE FIRST.
I finally got fed up with YouTube and had been using Google but Google is not in the business of "uploading videos" anymore and I need the Embed Codes for my MySpace website. Also, I've had a website on Google since 2006 and it will allow all of your videos to stay there but you just can't upload any more videos. I've recently had 2 of my videos that have been on Google since 2007, named as being "copyright infringement" and I had to delete them. Why did it take 2 years for the videos to now be considered as violating "copyright infringement laws"?
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